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Malkin crosses the line in Santa Cruz

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April 18, 2006

Malkin crosses the line in Santa Cruz

Here's a video from FOX & Friends with Cody James, a student at the university who wanted to see the recruiters and says the protesters were not violent.

Whatever your beliefs are regarding military recruiting at colleges, Michelle Malkin crosses the line of decency by printing the telephone numbers of the students that formed the protest. They have been receiving death threats non-stop. An emailer wrote me and said:

"The protest was reported on by Hannity and OReilly. Michelle Malkin put actual students' phone numbers on her blog and they've been getting death threats nonstop."

In her update to the post Michelle writes:

      "SAW has removed the contact information from its press release and is now lying about the fact that it made the info publicly available on the Internet. I am leaving it up. If you are contacting them, I do not condone death threats or foul language. As for SAW, my message is this: You are responsible for your individual actions. Other individuals are responsible for theirs. Grow up and take responsibility."

Obviously the death threats are emanating from her blog and she knows it. Malkin understands the nature of the fear and outrage she causes. Will she take responsibility when somebody gets hurt? Here's another example of the fear-mongering she causes. Read Cathy Young's Boston Globe column.

Here's an article about the affair.

Another email: "She REPRINTED the numbers. The death threats have started again with a vengeance." She's basically blaming the victim, saying "we asked for it." But we only sent the contact info to the PRESS (not her site) along with our press release and then we specifically asked HER to remove them, when there were death threats (we've published some on our site), she's refusing."

"The basic thing is, she's trying to make us sound like lunatic vandals and criminals so that her fanatical audience feels justified in sending us death threats. The action was completely peaceful and it was blown out of proportion. Malkin says: "SAW is trying to cover its tracks again and has wiped the info from the cached version." Does she have any understanding of how google cache works? We don't have the power to "wipe it."

(If you contact her please don't stoop to the levels that her readers are.)

Update:

Here are some of the threats on SAW's homepage.




Malkin: Worst Person

Keith Olbermann awarded Michelle Malkin The "World's Worst," today for her posting private phone numbers from the student's at UC Santa Cruz.

                                                Video-WMP Video-QT

Way to go Michelle!

She knows that promoting the numbers even if they were available (how many people would have known about them?) would cause the problems they did for the students.






UCSC Students Against War


Death Threats and Harrassment

Submitted by studentsagainstwar on Fri, 04/14/2006 - 12:00am.

After our successfull counter recruitment action on Tuesday, the right wing decided to resort to personal threats and intimidation. SAW Press team members received hundreds of threatening emails and phone calls, after inflammatory blogger Michelle Malkin put the students' personal information on her blog. More than a dozen other websites followed suit. She refused to remove the information, even after she was politely asked and the safety concderns were brought to her attention. Below is a small sample of the emails. Voicemails coming soon.

From: Wayne
Subject: shame on you
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:30:26 -0400

You will pay for your seditious activities. It is only a matter of
time...We are retired military snipers & we are watching you...

---------------------------------------------------
From: Hermy Flenagin
Subject: Military
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 07:24:54 -0700 (PDT)

Girls (and other assorted shitdicks),

My sincere hope is that a couple hundred of the local patriots take a
day off work for your next anarchist event, and come down to your
little shithole with some axe handles and bust your fucking heads.

Short of that, I certainly hope the Feds stop sending money to your
dicklicking junior college.

Hermy
---------------------------------------------------
From: Peter Peanut
Subject: I hope...
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:38:44 -0700 (PDT)

...one a fine young American very, very soon puts his shiny gun barrel
up to your left temple and pulls the trigger. Now THAT will make
America a much, much better place to live for the rest of us, you
utterly disgusting piece of shit...

"Hearing a Western woman talk about how she might want to become a
Muslim is like hearing black Americans talk about how they might want
to become slaves."

From: "Tom Ault"
Subject: outrage!
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 13:19:52 -0400

You intolerant left wing socialist fucking cock-suckers. We're coming
to get you and when we do we'll hurt you..REAL BAD!

---------------------------------------------------------

From: Christopher Boylan
Subject: Go fuck yourself
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:50:35 -0400
s
Fucking pansy douchebag, you're lucky one of those recruiters didn't
put his foot up your silly little ass. Get cancer, you traitorous shit
breath cocksucker.

---------------------------------------------------------

From: primus1
Subject: FUCK YOU WANKERS!!! SUPPORT WAR!! FUCK IRAQ
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:20:39 +0200

---------------------------------------------------------

From: "Victor M. Sanchez, Jr."
Subject: Useful Idiots
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 17:15:04 -0500

You 3 are a bunch of useful idiots. Instead of marching around with
your silly Peacenik slogans you should either pick up a weapon and
defend this country from Islamofascists or just Shut The F*** Up. Or
just get back to class...idealistic, wet-behind the ears ingrates.

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Submitted by Pastor Maker on Tue, 04/18/2006 - 4:02am.

Hands Off,

You're too stupid to post here and breathe at the same time. I suggest you concentrate on the latter.

Malkin posted the contact details precisely to provoke her army of syphillic flying monkeys into action. You should know, oh winged rhesus.

After it became obvious that Malkin's flunkies had taken her bait,and the victims complained, what did she do? She protested innocence....and posted the contact details again!

Now I'm not a lawyer, but I suspect Malkin's on very loose sand here.

Submitted by hands off on Mon, 04/17/2006 - 10:59pm.

let me get this straight:

you guys published your contact info on a press release with the words "FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE"...........

malkin publishes what you published, complete with contact info...........

other sites/blogs post the same contact info............

you guys are now getting nasty emails........

and you want to single out malkin for blame?

wow.

sorry, but you folks are what the kids call "crybabies"

Submitted by studentsagainstwar on Mon, 04/17/2006 - 11:47pm.

part of "WE ASKED HER TO REMOVE IT AFTER RECEIVING DEATH THREATS AND SHE SAID NO" is unclear to you? Are you saying it's fair game if she did that to any name on any press release meant for the press?  Would you leave it up if it was your site? Honestly, if you knew some of your readers are trying to kill people?

Submitted by studentsagainstwar on Mon, 04/17/2006 - 11:44pm.

Phone number too, please.

Submitted by packy on Mon, 04/17/2006 - 6:47pm.

You intolerant left wing socialist fucking cock-suckers.

Why is Luke 6:42 running through my head?

Submitted by Pastor Maker on Mon, 04/17/2006 - 6:41pm.

Gee,

I wouldn't worry about these death threats. The most these online crusaders could achieve would be luring 10 year-old girls into into their moms' basements for re-enactments of their blogged cannibal fantasies. A grown woman would be way too confronting for them.

Submitted by Dburn on Mon, 04/17/2006 - 4:02pm.

I wouldn't worry a great deal about these so called death threats. If these people really believed that Iraq was a true threat against the U.S. they would be in uniform and on patrol right now. I also doubt that any ex-military combat veteran would ever threaten fellow Americans for exercising their right to free speech especially since they took an oath to defend that right.

Malkin is old enough to enlist. She would make a fine recruit. Why not suggest that instead of talking nutty she shows some of that keyboard bravery through action. Join up. Her country needs her defending the country instead of inciting a civil war in the country for a few extra bucks.

What a warrier eh?

Submitted by misc. on Mon, 04/17/2006 - 2:36pm.

Turnabout is fair play, no?

I'm a vet myself, and wouldn't mind deploying some cognitive dissonance mind bombs.

Submitted by studentsagainstwar on Mon, 04/17/2006 - 9:27pm.

The wingers tried to post Michelle's number on this site, but we erased it.

Submitted by old hat on Mon, 04/17/2006 - 11:33pm.

Games? This isnt a game my friend. This woman is ATTACKING YOU. Its called being hoisted by your own petard, and Michelle has set her self up to be a prime example of this. She is outright lying by posting to this website and giving the impression that they posted the information before her. Her article was written on April 12th, the article she references was written on April 13th. She is also claiming that YOU deleted the google cache of your webpage. Do you think you are going to just make her go away by ignoring her? You may not like it, but actions have responses. Its a concept that has been known long enough to be put in the text of a book called "The Art of War".

There is no nice guy needed here. She has an agenda, and an audience. She replied that individuals are responsible for their own actions(except her), and to 'grow up'.

What is the problem with posting HER publicly available information? She obviously thinks that its OK, and that whatever people do with that information is none of her concern. Once you own a house or have credit that information is PUBLIC. So, post it, as others have.

If she wanted this information to be private, she could have bought her house under a corporation name, therefore keeping her identity private. She is a 'grown-up' and Im sure she will understand. After all, that is her exact arguement. You need to understand that when someone attacks you in this manner, the appropriate response is to apply the same standards as were given to you. The goal is to expose her agenda, not be the good guy.

If someone punched you in the face, would you be the good guy for puting your face in the same place to be punched again? What is it exactly that you 'stand' for?

May whatever god you believe in have mercy on your soul

Submitted by steve on Tue, 04/18/2006 - 1:47am.

Old hat,I appreciate your willingness to stick up for us or to have us stick up for ourselves, but honestly we have a lot of different reasons for ignoring Ms. Malkin as best we can. First, we need to devote our organizational energies to our group's purpose -- ending the war -- rather than an online bickering match against someone with a lot more resources at her disposal. Second, while Ms. Malkin or her ilk may never go away, we know that the media, and the "blogosphere" especially, have incredibly short attention spans. They'll find something new to froth at the mouth about tomorrow.Again, I appreciate your support, and recognize that it's yours to give however you see fit, although I'd be most honored if you took action against war and militarism rather than personally against Ms. Malkin.

Submitted by call a lawyer on Tue, 04/18/2006 - 7:15am.

I understand your desire to ignore Malkin--I also was taught to ignore bullies and they'd go away.

But the fact of the matter is that Malkin is playing a different game than you are. She is not trying to make you stop doing what you're doing--your efforts to stop the war don't even come up on her radar screen. She doesn't win if you quit, and lose if you keep doing what you're doing.

Malkin wins if she gets other people to not start.

Malkin is playing at intimidation. She doesn't care if she stops you. She knows you're crazy tough college kids. She wants to make an example out of you, and to make all people who agree with you believe that if they publicly disagree with her side, that they or their families will be in danger. She wants everyone on the left to look at their kids, think about their job, and decide it's not worth it to say anything.

The way you address this intimidation isn't by pretending it isn't happening, or waiting for it to blow over. Because even if it blows over, her message has been sent--people who disagree with her had better be silent or they're going to have to hunker down, afraid to answer their phone or go out alone and hope that it blows over for them, too. The right wing can do whatever it wants to them, because anyone who speaks against war has chosen to paint a bulls-eye on their back and has to just stand there and take it.

Sorry, but you have to say that's NOT how it works. Exercising your right to free speech does not, in fact, give your opponents free license to do anything they want to you. Political discourse has bounds, and both sides need to stay within those bounds. The way you confront a threat of violence is to make it clear that violence is NOT an acceptable form of political debate, and that there will be consequences for someone who attempts to bring violence and violent intimidation into the arena of political debate.

You tell her that she broke the rules, and there will be consequences. You send a message back to the right wing that you won't be a punching bag, and that they need to think twice before threatening people with violence.

First, get a lawyer. California has cyberstalking statutes, and this seems like it would fall into cyberstalking--there's even a pattern of harrassment becuase she posted this twice. You can file a formal complaint and demand a criminal investigation.

Second, get another lawyer. Look at your civil options. This is harrassment and intimidation, and there are a number of you who can sue her on these grounds.

You have a choice: either you can agree with Malkin that you have to roll over and take it, or you can stand up to her and tell her and everyone else that this is not acceptable political discourse and is, in fact, a crime.

Good luck to you all. You're clearly a great bunch of kids. Sorry this had to happen to you--but you can make lemondade outta this here lemon if you stand up to her.


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